სვამის საუბარი ონამის ზეიმზე 12.09.2008

imisTvis rom SeiZino TviTrealizeba,
aucilebelia ganiviTaro rwmena sakuTar TavSi

bhagavan Sri satia sai babas RmrTeebrivi gamosvla
praSanti nilaiamSi onamis dResaswaulze 2008 wlis 12 seqtembers.

bharat – es aris mravali keTilSobili adamianebis samSoblo,
romlebmac saxeli gaiTqves yvela kontinentebze.
bharatas brZolis velidan gandevnilni iyvnen
mmarTvelebi ucxo qveynebidan da mopovebuli iqna Tavisufleba.
am miwam SeiZina maRali reputacia, Tavisi mecnierebis madliT.
bharat – es aris RmrTiuri miwa, romelzec daibadnen
didi msaxiobebi, musikosebi, literatorebi da mecnierebi.
o, Wabukebo da qaliSvilebo! Tqven daibadeT am diad miwaze!
SeinarCunoT bharatis dideba – es aris Tqveni movaleoba!
(leqsi teluguze)

bharat – es ar aris Cveulebrivi qveyana. is imdenad Zvirfasia RmerTisTvis, rom is ramdenimejer ganxorcielda am did miwaze. am qveynis adamianebma ganiviTares RmerTisadmi Rrma siyvaruli da erTguleba. aq daibadnen didi meomrebi, mecnierebi da inteleqtualebi. magram aseTi didi qveyana dRes aris samwuxaro mdgomareobaSi. miuxedavad amisa, Cven guli ar unda gavitexoT. eWvsgareSea, dRes swrafad viTardeba msoflio mecniereba, magram is uZluria daexmaros adamianebs Seicnon RmrTiureba.

sakuTar TavSi rwmenis gareSe arc ganaTleba, arc samecniero codna, arc eqsperimentebi ar moitanen araviTar sargeblobas. amaze aseve fuWad ixarjeba droc. am gzaze ar SeiZleba SeiZino RmerTrealizeba. is SeiZleba SeiZino mxolod grZnobebisa da Wkuis kontroliT da RmerTSi rwmenis ganviTarebiT. sakuTar TavSi rwmena – es aris gasaRebi sakuTar TavSi RmerTis Sesacnobad. amitom Zvirfaso studentebo, ganiviTareT rwmena sakuTar TavSi! maSin Tqven SeZlebT cxovrebaSi yvelafris miRwevas. dRes adamianebs wyurvili aqvT SeiZinon samecniero codnebi, magram isini iluzorulia. mecniereba iZleva codnebs mxolod warmaval, aramudmiv da ararealur nivTebze. is uZluria Seaswavlos atma tatva (atmas principi). mecnierebi uwindeburad cdiloben gaxsnan msoflios saidumloebebi, magram isini ar amaxvileben TavianT yuradRebas atmas principis Sesacnobad. yvela maTi eqsperimentebi – es aris fuWi varjiSebi. mecnierebas SeuZlia gaxsnas fizikuri samyaros zogierTi saidumloebani da xeli Seuwyos sicocxlis gaumjobesebas materialur samyaroSi. mas SeuZlia gaakeTos aRmoCenebi, romlebic daexmareba didi simdidris dagrovebaSi, magram is sruliad uZluria ganaviTaros adamianebSi keTilSobiluri Tvisebebi.

ra sargeblobaa imaSi, rom daagrovo simdidre, zneobis ugulebelyofiT? fulebi modian da midian, zneoba Cndeba da viTardeba. zneobrivi principebis mimdevroba SesaZlebelia mxolod sulier gzaze siaruliT. arseboben didi raodenobiT mecnierebi, romlebmac gaakeTes didi aRmoCenebi, magram maT ara aqvT TavianTi sxeulisa da Wkuis kontrolis unari. adamianebma risTvis unda miiRon aseTi samecniero codnebi, romlebic afuWebs maT Wkuas? amis magivrad, adamianma unda ganaviTaros Wkua, samyaroze pozitiuri Sexeduleba da emsaxuros qveyanas da sazogadoebas. ganaTleba, romelsac Tqven iRebT, aucilebelia gamoiyenoT sazogadoebis sasikeTod. mxolod maSin SeZlebT Tqven SeiZinoT kargi saxeli da dideba, ganiviTaroT zneobrivi Tvisebebi da sisufTave.

ganaviTareT zneobrioba. mxolod maSin SeZlebT Tqven SeicnoT WeSmariteba. SeinaxeT WeSmariteba. WeSmariteba _ es aris mama da deda. simSvide ibadeba iq, sadac aris WeSmariteba da samarTlianoba. simSvididan ibadeba siyvaruli. iq, sadac aris siyvaruli, iq ar aris siZulvili. iq ar iqneba adgili iseTi cudi TvisebebisTvis, rogoricaa risxva da Suri. dRes Zmebsa da debs sZulT erTmaneTi mxolod imitom, rom adamianebma dakarges siyvarulis keTilSobiluri unari. siyvarulis daxmarebiT Tqven am qveyanaze SeZlebT yvelafris miRwevas. siyvaruli – es aris RmerTi, icocxleT siyvarulSi. siyvaruli – es aris Tqveni sicocxle. siyvarulis gareSe ver icocxlebs WianWvelac ki. WianWvelebi megobrulad eqcevian erTmaneTs. mwerebsac aseve uyvarT erTmaneTi.

dRes mxolod adamianma dakarga siyvarulis keTilSobiluri unari. eWvsgareSea adamianSi aris siyvaruli, magram is mas mimarTavs simdidreze da calkeul adamianebze. ar aris sargebeli imaSi, rom ganaviTaro aseTi siyvaruli. adamianma unda ganaviTaros siyvaruli mTeli sazogadoebis mimarT. adamianma SeiZleba iarsebos mxolod maSin, rodesac arsebobs sazogadoeba. sazogadoebaSi cxovrebisas, adamians SeuZlia Seewios mis warmatebul ganviTarebas. sxva meTodebi ar moitans sargeblobas.

imperatori bali iyo didi gandegili. man SeiZina keTili saxeli da dideba, mowyalebis keTilSobiluri Tvisebis madliT. is mzadyofniT gascemda yvelafers, rasac mas sTxovdnen adamianebi. keralas mcxovreblebi – arian yvelaze bednieri adamianebi, imitom rom maT hyavdaT aseTi imperatori. erTxel bali atarebda iajnas. vedebis ramdenime mecnieri eswreboda masze. iajnaze movida agreTve vamanavatari. roca is miuaxlovda adamianebma daiwyes gakvirveba: `es biWi aseTi axalgazrdaa! is aq ras akeTebs? aq Sekrebili arian vedebis didi mecnierebi. rogor gabeda am Wabukma mosuliyo iajnaze!~ magram imperator balis qaliSvilma ar miiRo is ase zedapirulad. mas izidavda da xiblavda misi, mecnieri adamianisTvis damaxasiaTebeli, damatyvevebeli silamaze da gamoxedva. imperatori bali miesalma didebul vamanas da hkiTxa: `svami! Sen aq ram mogiyvana? me ra SemiZlia gavakeTo SenTvis?~.

vamanam upasuxa, rom mas ar sWirdeba fuli anda marcvali. mas sWirdeba mxolod sami futi miwa, gadazomili nabijebiT. bali iyo gakvirvebuli, roca moismina vamanas Txovna, radgan imisTvis, rom dakrZalo mkvdari sxeuli, saWiro iyo eqvsi futi. amitom man uTxra vamanas eTxova kidev raime. magram vamanam upasuxa: `Tu Sen momcem sam nabij miwas, es iqneba sakmarisi~. imperatori bali dauyovnebliv dapirda mas sami futi miwis micemas. sinamdvileSi vamanam sTxova is, rac unda gavigoT sulieri TvalsazrisiT. yofiTi TvalsazrisiT es Txovna JRers trivialurad. maSin vamanam erTi nabijiT moicva mTeli dedamiwa. meore nabijiT – mTeli ca. axla aRar rCeboda sivrce, sadac SeiZleboda mesame nabijis gakeTeba. vamanam hkiTxa imperator balis, mas sad SeuZlia gaakeTos mesame nabiji, raTa man SeZlos dauyovnebliv wasvla. imperatori bali aRmoCnda garTulebul mdgomareobaSi da SesTavaza Tavisi Tavi: `svami! axla me maqvs mxolod sakuTari Tavi. geTayva, dadgi Seni fexi Cems Tavze~. es rom Tqva, man moixsna gvirgvini da daudo Tavisi Tavi.

maSin ufalma vamanam dadga Tavisi fexi imperator balis Tavze da gaamgzavra is qveda samyaroSi. vamanam gaakeTa es mxolod imisTvis, rom daengria imperator balis ego. sinamdvileSi imperatori bali iyo qvelmoqmedi da guluxvi adamiani. is amayobda am TvisebebiT da ganiviTara egouroba. amitom vamanam gadawyvita moespo misi egouroba. imperator balis qveSevrdomebi Rrmad damwuxrdnen imisgan, rom dakarges didi imperatori. maSin imperatori bali dapirda maT weliwadSi erTxel monaxulebas. onami izeimeba yovel wels am didi dRis mosagoneblad.

am dRes keralis mcxovreblebi ibanen Tavs, amzadeben sxvadasxva gemriel kerZebs da awyoben sadilebs. am kerZebidan cnobilia bananis pudingi. imis win, vidre mas SeWamen, TavianT salocav oTaxebSi adamianebi anTeben wminda sanaTs da miaqvT is locvebiT RmerTTan. keralas mcxovreblebs myari rwmena aqvT imaSi, rom imperatori bali moinaxulebs maT onamis dRes da miscems maT darSans. amitom isini loculoben sufTa da wminda gulebiT. es tradicia keralaSi arsebobs dRevandel dRemde. sinamdvileSi keralelebi mouTmenlad elodebian am did dResaswauls.

Tu mefes ase Zalian uyvars Tavisi qveSevrdomebi, maSin maTac aseve eyvarebaT TavianTi mefe. arsebobs gamoTqma: `iata raja Tata praja~ (rogoric mefea, iseTi arian misi qveSevrdomebi). keralas mcxovreblebs uyvardaT TavianTi imperatori bali, da masac aseve Zalian uyvarda isini. onamis dResaswauli aRniSnavs ormxriv siyvaruls, romelic arsebobda imperator balisa da mis qveSevrdomebs Soris.

ras simbolirebs balis saxeli? absolituri msxverplis did Tvisebas. roca vamanam sTxova sami futi miwa, balim misca piroba da SeeTavaza mbrZanebels sruli erTgulebiT. ai man ratom SeiZina ukvdaveba.

na karmana na prajnia dhanena tiagenaike amritattvamanasu

ukvdaveba SeuZlebelia SeiZino moqmedebebis, STamomavlobis an simdidris daxmarebiT. is SeiZineba mxolod msxverplis madliT.

ras niSnavs sami futi? sakuTari Tavis micemas uflis lotosis terfebTan fizikur, mentalur da sulier doneze. imperatorma balim RmerTisadmi mTliani erTgulebiT daudo Tavisi Tavi vamanas imisTvis, rom mas SeZleboda masze daedga Tavisi fexi. roca vamanam daadga fexi balis Tavze, imperatorma miiRo kurTxeva da gaTavisufleba. imisTvis rom adamianebs axsovdeT am didi msxverplisa da erTgulebis Sesaxeb, imperatori bali weliwadSi erTxel am dRes moinaxulebs maT. dRemde mcxovreblebsac axsovT TavianTi imperatori.

kerala aris – siuxvis qveyana. iq ar aris danaklisi marcvleulSi an wyalSi. sinamdvileSi wvimebi wvimebis periodSi iwyeba keralaSi. kerala – es aris wminda miwa. es aris qvelmoqmedebisa da msxverplis miwa. mowyalebis keTilSobiluri Tviseba daibada keralaSi. adamianebi sxva raionebidan aseve aqeben keralas. locvebis aRvlena RmerTisadmi aseve daiwyes keralaSi. keralaSi daibada ramdenime didi mecnieri. ufali vamana ganxorcielda am adgilSi mxolod imitom, rom es miwa aris wminda. vamana simaRliT iyo sami futi da imitom sTxova imperator balis sami futi miwa. man moicva mTeli dedamiwa da ca Tavisi ori nabijiT. aseT did Zalas flobda is.

RmerTs aRweren rogorc anoraniian mahaTo mahiian (brahmani aris yvelaze pataraze patara da yvelaze didze didi). vamanavatari movida mxolod imisTvis, rom eboZebina gaTavisufleba imperator balisTvis. avatarebs Soris viSnu vamanavatari – es aris RmerTis pirveli xorcSesxma adamianis sxeulSi.

roca vamanavatari, Cacmuli tradiciul tansacmelSi, dhotiT, mivida iajnasalasTan (adgilTan, sadac sruldeba rituali), yvela adamianis mzera mipyrobili iyo masze. yvelas xiblavda Wabukis silamaze da mimzidveloba. vamanavatarma waiyvana imperatori bali Tavis RmrTiur sabinadroSi. es aris imperator balis didi damsaxureba. onami – es aris dRe, roca vamanavatarma aCuqa gaTavisufleba imperator balis.

keralis mcxovreblebi brwyinvaled zeimoben onams sruli erTgulebiT. kastebis, rwmenisa da aRmsareblobisgan damoukideblad isini erTiandebian imisTvis, raTa izeimon es dResaswauli. bevr maTgans wilad xvda bednieri bedi, da maT SeZles Camosuliyvnen aq da ezeimaT onami svamis RmrTiuri TandaswrebiT. roca erTgulebi keralidan Camodian aq, isini loculoben ase: `svami! geTayva, CamobrZandi keralaSi~. me uTxari maT: `me Camoval~. me arasdros ar veubnebi maT aras. da ara marto maT. me veubnebi yvelas diax, vinc mTxovs me. rasakvirvelia, me Caval maTTan erTxel da vaCveneb RmrTiurebis Zalas da didebas.

keralaSi arian didi mecnierebi. es Cveulebrivi Stati ar aris. es aris miwa, romelzec RmerTi ganxorcielda rogorc vamanavatari. keralis mcxovreblebi Zalian bednieri xalxi arian, radgan maTi gulebi aRvsilia siyvaruliT da RmerTisadmi erTgulebiT. maT Soris ar aris arc erTi adamiani, romelic ar fiqrobs RmerTze. maT SeiZleba ar gamoxaton TavianTi erTguleba garegnulad, magram gulis siRrmeSi isini Zalian erTgulebi arian.

adamianebi keralas uwodeben komunistur Stats. ara, ara. is komunisturi ar aris, aramed stumarTmoyvarea (sityvebis TamaSi communist da come you next). programaSi, romelic momzadebulia bal vikasis mowafeebis mier, monawileobas Rebuloben Zalian patara bavSvebi. ra mSvenieria maTi saxeebi, romlebic asxivebs netarebas da erTgulebas! isini gadavsebuli arian svamisadmi siyvaruliT. maTi gulebi gadavsebulia siyvaruliT! maTi gulebi sufTaa da mTlianad ayvavdeba, roca dro mova.

dRes keralis bal vikasis mowafeebi gvaCveneben piesas, romelSic moTxrobilia savitris Sesaxeb. vin aris savitri? Cveulebriv adamianebi laparakoben masze, rogorc satiavantis colze. is iyo sruliad brZeni qali da miiRo myari gadawyvetileba, daebrunebina sicocxle Tavisi mkvdari qmrisTvis. is daJinebiT mimarTavda Tavisi TxovniT ufal iamas. ufali iama daTanxmda Seesrulebina nebismieri misi survili, magram man uari Tqva. is pasuxobda ase: `me ar minda araferi. daubrune Cems qmars sicocxle~. ufalma iamam ver gauZlo ra mis dawolas, dauTmo mas da daubruna qmars sicocxle. satiavantis mkvdari sxeuli ido eqvs dRes. is gacocxlda ufael iamas saCuqaris madliT romelic man misca savitris. savitrim ase daadastura, rom aris sruliad brZeni qali, romelsac unari aqvs daubrunos sicocxle Tavis qmars Tavisi keTilSobiluri Tvisebebis wyalobiT.

qalebi dajildoebuli arian darwmunebis didi unariT. maT Zalas SeuZlia moaxdinos saswaulebi da mkvdrebic ki gaacocxlos. SegiZliaT Tqven SexvdeT msgavs magaliTs sxva romelime qveyanaSi? aseTi sakvirveli rameebi xdeba mxolod bharatSi, radgan es miwa aris sruliad brZeni qalebis.

bharatSi daibada bevri keTilSobili qali,
msgavsi savitris, romelmac gaacocxla Tavisi qmari:
Candramatim Caaqro cecxli WeSmaritebisadmi Tavisi erTgulebis ZaliT;
siitam daamtkica Tavisi umwikvloba, mogizgize cecxlidan uvneblad gamosvliT;
daiamantim daferfla borotganzraxviani monadire Tavisi sisufTavis ZaliT.
(leqsi teluguze)

roca raamaianaSi Sri raamam siitas mouwyo gamocda imis Semdeg, rac gaimarjva ravanaze, cecxlis RmerTma daubruna siita raamas da sazeimod ganacxada: `siita aris keTilSobili da umanko qali. Sen mas ase ar unda moeqce~. bharat aris aseTi keTilSobili qalebis samSoblo.

sxva qveynebis mcxovreblebi am qveyanas moixsenieben ramdenime saxeliT. dRes, roca indoeTis mcxovreblebi midian sazRvargareT, isini amboben: `me var delidan~, `me var kalkutidan~, `me var bangaloridan~ da a.S. imis magier, rom upasuxon ase: `me var bharatidan~. isini cxovroben qalaqebSi da raionebSi, romlebic aris indoeTis nawili. amitom swori iqneba imis Tqma, rom Tqven CamoxvediT indoeTidan. Tqven sadac ar unda waxvideT, Tqven unda iamayoT imiT, rom Tqven xarT _ bharateli.

saxelwodeba bharatSi aris Rrma azri. `bha~ niSnavs RmrTiurebas, `rata~ ki – imas, visac uyvars RmerTi. amitom bharatelebi arian adamianebi, romlebsac uyvarT RmerTi. bharatam miiRo aseTi saxelwodeba aseTi adamianebis madliT. Tanamedrove Taobas ar esmis bharatas mniSvneloba. isini sasxvaTaSorisod axseneben imis Sesaxeb, rom Camovidnen puttapartidan, romelic mdebareobs anantapuris raionSi andrapradeSis StatSi indoeTSi. sad mdebareobs puttaparti? sad mdebareobs anantapuri? es yvelaferi aris bharatis nawili. bharatelebi arian yvelaze bednieri adamianebi. bharatis WeSmarit suls atareben keralis mcxovreblebi. isini kurTxeuli arian. dRes isini gvaCveneben piesas savitris Sesaxeb. Cven bevri ram unda viswavloT iqidan, razec masSia laparaki.

Tqven naxeT, rogor mSvenier dramebs asrulebdnen erTgulebi keralidan. guSin maT warmoadgines `siita raama kaliianu~ (Sri raamas da siitas RmrTiuri qorwili) mTel Tavis didebasa da didebulebaSi. guSinwin maT aCvenes `kriSna lilebi~. musika, Sesruleba da dialogebi SesaniSnavia. kostumebic aseve iyo Zalian lamazi. qalebma keralis Sri satia sais organizaciidan gaswies didi samsaxuri, am warmodgenebis momzadebisas. piesebi naTamaSebi iyo ase bunebrivad da damatyveveblad mxolod maTi gamrje Sromisa da enTuziazmis madliT. keralis Sri satia sais organizaciis mamakacebi da qalebi yvelafers akeTeben didebulad. me usurveb, rom erTgulebma keralidan momavalSi SeinarCunon aseTi suli, nebismieri msaxurebis Sesrulebisas, me vakurTxeb maT. me Zalian moxaruli var, rom Tqven yvelas gesmiT onamis dResaswaulis mniSvneloba da daniSnuleba. axla daiwyeT savitris Sesaxeb piesis Sesruleba.